Carpocoris cf. pudicus

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Flown Kimmerling

Lion

beautiful shot! I love that mustard yellow! Posted 5 years ago
1. Jivko Nakev
  
  Lion
  
  Thank you, Lisa! Posted 5 years ago

Pudding4brains

Lion

Hi Jivko, excellent image(!), but this is certainly not fuscispinus. This is either pudicus or purpureipennis and "officially" - or maybe I should say "mostly" - these two are hard to separate from photos as both are variable in colour _and_ shape and there is a large range where the variation in shapes overlaps between the two. Serious identification should hence be based on genitalia. To me, this one seems to fall much more into the pudicus side of the range than purpureipennis, so I could live with it being identified as pudicus for the sake of finding it back, but would certainly suggest to make the photo title reflect some uncertainty such as maybe "Carpocoris cf. pudicus" to alert viewers to this situation.
Cheers, Arp Posted 5 years ago
1. Jivko Nakev
  
  Lion
  
  Hi Arp, thanks for the correction. I shall change the ID as you suggest. But please, why do you think it is not fuscipinus?
  Posted 5 years ago

Pudding4brains

Lion

Hi Jivko,
Easiest to recognize, is that the black marking on the apex of the shoulders is along the postero-lateral side on fuscispinus and mediterraneus and along the antero-lateral side on pudicus and purpureipennis
But the habitus of fuscispinus is also quite different:
The shoulders are wider, more pointed as well as the complete shape of the pronotum such as inclinations on the antero-lateral margins etc.
The shape of the scutellum is also different - the apical third - or the "tip" if you will - is narrower on fuscispinus.
Here is a good fuscispinus for comparison:

Note that at the moment there are a few other images under that name on JD that are misidentified - I've added comments to those. Posted 5 years ago, modified 5 years ago
1. Jivko Nakev
  
  Lion
  
  Arp, thank you so much! I appreciate your help.
  BTW, I am sure there are some more misidentified species in JD. Many of us, contributors, are just amateur photographers and misidentification is often possible. So when you find such an image and add your note and the author does not respond then, you can change the ID directly. Posted 5 years ago
2. 1. Pudding4brains
    
    Lion
    
    Hi Jivko, yes I don't have a big problem with changing IDs on images uploaded by someone else, but I do prefer to also notify the author, especially when I'm not 101% sure. Quite often it is very hard or even impossible to issue a reliable ID from photo and it is often easier to say what it is _not_ than saying exactly what it is instead ... Posted 5 years ago
  2. 1. Jivko Nakev
      
      Lion
      
      Hi Arp, yes, I do agree completely! Posted 5 years ago