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Three banded lady beetle  Canada,Coccinella trifasciata,Geotagged,Summer,Three-banded Lady Beetle Click/tap to enlarge Species introCountry intro

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  1. Wow, that's tiny, and quite an unusual, beautiful pattern. Posted 8 years ago
    1. very exciting to find this - it's a native ladybug and becoming rare as it's habitat is taken over by Asian ladybugs. Posted 8 years ago
      1. The same thing has happened in Europe, the Asian ladybug is VERY invasive. Posted 8 years ago
      2. I think this might be Coccinella trifasciata perplexa according to what I've seen on Bug Guide.

        https://bugguide.net/node/view/414905
        Posted 6 years ago
        1. That is what it's id'd as - Three banded ladybird is the common name, but if you click on the description you'll find the Latin name is Coccinella trifasciata. This little lady was up in your (relative) neck of the woods too - I was visiting a really neat alpine meadow up near a ski area - it has a big board walk that lets you ramble through the marshy areas and see lots of the flowers that can often be a bit inaccessible. Posted 6 years ago, modified 6 years ago
          1. What I mean is this is subspecies perplexa. It has been previously called C. t. trifasciata. There's another Coccinella trifasciata subspecies restricted to the western coast called subspecies Coccinella trifasciata subversa. Posted 6 years ago
            1. Ah -Unless I am remembering wrong, subspecies are generally not treated as unique here - classification goes to species level - in the ID at least. Occasionally one slips through if there is a wiki page for subspecies or there is debate about whether something is a subspecies or a unique species, but I'm pretty sure Ferdy prefers to not have them. Mentioning subspecies names in the description is fine though. Posted 6 years ago
              1. I really don't know if there is some preference for subspecies or not. Subgenera are out but I've not seen any rule about subspecies. I think that as long as it is in the ITIS it should be ok. Posted 6 years ago
                1. @morpheme and @Gary, I talked to Ferdy a few months ago about the creation of subspecies and his basic philosophy is this:

                  1. If the main species doesn't yet exist on JD, then don't create a subspecies. It's okay to do so if it's a particularly rare species though. But, he says it's like "creating a child without a parent" in the system.

                  2. If the main species already exists on JD, do create the subspecies.

                  Hope that helps :)
                  Posted 6 years ago, modified 6 years ago
                  1. Hmmm to make this one a little more complex, it appears the classifiers have not left a 'main' species for this one... instead of splitting it into a main and one sub, they've split it into two subs, with none left as plain old C. trifasciata... Considering this is the only photo of this species I would guess it's best leaving it to the species level, at least for now? Posted 6 years ago, modified 6 years ago
                  2. @morpheme and @Christine Young
                    "main" species is not really a valid taxonomic concept. If there is one subspecies there must also be at least another one (even if it is extinct). When a species is divided into 2 (or sometimes more) subspecies there is the higher taxonomic level simply known as species "genus species" and its lower taxonomic levels or subspecies which would be called "genus species subspecies one" and "genus species subspecies two". In the case of this ladybug, there are two subspecies one called perplexa and one called subversa.
                    Posted 6 years ago
                    1. Thanks for the explanation, Gary...It makes sense. So, then, IDing something as the subspecies would be appropriate even if the "main" species isn't documented on JD because the subspecies are valid on their own. Is that correct? Posted 6 years ago
                      1. Pretty close. By documenting a subspecies the species (the "main" species) is also documented but you've got only a particular part of the entire species documented so it would be good to document the other subspecies. That way the higher level taxa (the species) will be fully documented.

                        A good place to see what it is I am talking about is the species keys at the Flora of North America website. The key on the fern genus Woodsia has two species that illustrates this very well I think. Check out the descriptions of the species Woodsia scopulina which has three subspecies and Woodsia oregana which has two. There is a description of the species (higher level taxa) and descriptions of the subspecies (lower level taxa).

                        http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=200004236

                        http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=200004233
                        Posted 6 years ago, modified 6 years ago
                        1. Sorry for the delayed reply Gary! My brain has been mush with all the late mothing nights.

                          I really appreciate your explanation, and you've helped me understand this in a different way!

                          I'll forward this conversation to Ferdy so he can add his thoughts when he returns from vacation.
                          Posted 6 years ago
                        2. Adding my thoughts as requested :)

                          First want to explain the taxonomy aspect from a system perspective. Species records are placed in a 6 level taxonomy, as you already know. Species records are uniquely identified by their binomial name, this is the key of the record.

                          What this means: from a system perspective, JD has no level below species. You cannot go to the species level and then find related sub species as the system does not know sub species.

                          However, we can "simulate" them by naming. By naming, we can create A.B and A.C and as humans we will understand by their name that these are related. To the system, they are just different species because their name is unique.

                          So sub species naming is entirely by convention, whatever we agree on. Christine is right that I proposed a "main" species would make sense to have before a sub species.

                          Based on Gary's information, that doesn't look entirely right, so it should be possible to have a sub species record without a main species record.

                          That's no problem. The system allows for it.
                          Posted 6 years ago

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4.0-5.0 mm long. It is a round ladybug with reddish-orange elytra with three black bands. Middle and apical bands are interrupted and appear discontinuous (Acorn, 2007; Belicek, 1976).

Similar species: Beetles
Species identified by morpheme
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Uploaded Jul 20, 2017. Captured Jul 13, 2017 14:32 in Nordic Dr, Comox-Strathcona C, BC V0R, Canada.
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