German scorpionfly

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Ferdy Christant

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Macedonia...very welcome photos! Posted 8 years ago
1. WildFlower
  
  Lion
  
  I was there 4 years ago. There are a few photos left in the folder. Posted 8 years ago
2. 1. Ferdy Christant
    
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    One of the nice things of JD...it doesn't matter how old the photo is :) Posted 8 years ago
  2. 1. WildFlower
      
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      By the way, there's something wrong in my profile - it says I've joined in 2014 but I have uploaded my first photo on Nov 18, 2012. Any idea why is that? Posted 8 years ago
    2. 1. Ferdy Christant
        
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        Sorry, I don't know, I didn't change anything, I swear. Posted 8 years ago

Pudding4brains

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Agree with Ferdy, excellent and interesting to see species from that neck of the woods :o)
Going by my "habitus recognition skills" based on northern European animals I would be tempted to call this Panorpa germanica rather than communis, but it _is_ slightly odd looking for germanica too, so I will need to check against other species fro the region (and/or ask around with people more knowledgeable of southern species) ... will get back on this ...
Cheers! Arp Posted 8 years ago
1. WildFlower
  
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  They are not so different compared to the species in Bulgaria.
  I found a collection of wing patterns from French specimens but it seems to me that some of them overlap and I cannot really tell the difference between them. Therefore, any help is very welcome.
  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267557733_Contribution_a_l'etude_des_Mecopteres_de_France_Deuxieme_partie_Cle_d'identification_des_Panorpa_de_France_Mecoptera_Panorpidae Posted 8 years ago
2. 1. Pudding4brains
    
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    Just a quick and dirty note. The papers by Pierre Tillier are excellent :o) I realize it is Dutch language but the links here may help some
    https://waarneming.nl/soort/info/8889
    especially here there are two annotated images
    https://forum.waarneming.nl/smf/index.php?topic=199987.msg1254545#msg1254545
    P.germanica will generally have the three spots across from the ptero more or less similar in size and the spot(s) proximal from the ptero split up in two spots. This pattern is clearly similar in your photo above, it's just that the tripple spots in our germanica are _usually_ more triangular.
    Note that germanica _can_ be very heavily marked with the pterostigmal band uninterrupted and sometimes the dual spot may start to fuse too, but still the pattern can be recognized. Look at many, many images and your pattern recognition will get better over time ;o)
    Here is a nice set of germanica variants: https://waarneming.nl/soort/info/29080 Posted 8 years ago
  2. 1. WildFlower
      
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      Thanks for the links and explanation. Unfortunately, I don't understand the comments in Dutch. Posted 8 years ago
    2. WildFlower
      
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      While we are at it, I have uploaded another one from Romania. Do you think it could be a Panorpa alpina or another species? Posted 8 years ago