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  1. While searching the database using the "Search" option for Zygaena lonicerae I've got "No results". The same when using only the genus name Zygaena - all Zygaena species popped up except Zygaena lonicerae. The problem is that the species Zygaena lonicerae is introduced to JD:
    Narrow-Bordered Five-Spot Burnet Narrow-Bordered Five-Spot Burnet - Zygaena lonicerae Bulgaria,Geotagged,Narrow-Bordered Five-Spot Burnet,Zygaena lonicerae,Zygaenidae,insect,lepidoptera,nature
    Replied one year ago, modified one year ago
  2. I am not sure why the "search" feature doesn't detect it but if you search in the "species" browser it is detected. It is much easier to find out if a species is in the database that way.
    https://www.jungledragon.com/wildlife/browse
    Replied one year ago
  3. hi Jivko,

    Thanks for reporting this. JungleDragon uses Google Custom Site Search, a paid product. The issue seems to be that the page you mention is not indexed. Having checked, it seems currently only about 2/3 of pages are indexed. Improving that number will take a lot of effort which I'm not going to make because Google already announced that they will shut down Custom Site Search in April 2018. They already stopped selling it earlier this year.

    So I'm going to have to find a new solution anyway for general search. Sadly, because it works quite well overall.

    In the meanwhile, if you're looking for a specific species, indeed, you can use @wildflower's suggestion to use species search. Species search, tag search and member search are all direct database searches that do not depend on the Google product.
    Replied one year ago
  4. Hi Ferdy, thank you for your clarification. I know very well how to search the database, I reported this just to let you know that there is such a problem and not because I cannot find what I am looking for.
    It is really strange taht Google have decided to shut down the Custom Site Search! Maybe millions sites are using this product! Obviously they have a good reason to make this decision.
    Replied one year ago
  5. @Jivko: I definitely am not happy with Google's decision. They do have a replacement that works in a similar way, yet is unstyled and has ads on them. I do not want to serve JungleDragon users ads. It's not just the ads, it also comes with all the tracking of your behavior. Replied one year ago, modified one year ago
  6. hi Jivko,

    An update on this. I changed my mind regarding spending effort on this. Both JungleDragon's general search function (which is powered by the paid product) as well as the general Google search that people generally use (google.com) make use of the same index of a website, called a "sitemap". So improving JungleDragon's sitemap should/could improve indexing in both search engines.

    The existing sitemap that JungleDragon had was a single file which has a limit of maximum 50,000 links, as enforced by Google. This is a problem because JungleDragon already has more links than that. I therefore redeveloped the sitemap functionality, and it's a lot smarter now. It automatically cuts up all our content into multiple sitemap files, creating multiple indices. With the new approach, there no longer is a constraint in the amount of links we offer to Google for indexing.

    I only just enabled this, and it can take days or even weeks before Google catches up. I'm not sure if it solves your specific problem, this depends on Google indexing it, but I have good hopes that it will mean a general improvement regarding indexing. Fingers crossed!

    Replied one year ago
  7. HI Ferdy,
    I am glad you've found a simple solution.
    Replied one year ago, modified one year ago
  8. Thanks, Jivko. Although my action has improved the amount of pages being indexed across the board, I just received bad news. My license for the custom search engine is expiring on July 17. The problem is, it's not possible to renew the license. Google mentioned the product will be shutdown on April 2018, but it looks like expiring contracts before that are already stopping.

    So this means that pretty soon, internal search will stop working altogether :(
    Replied one year ago
  9. Jivko,

    Just to let you know. The search license for the Google product just expired, and it's not possible to extend it. That means internal search stopped working as of yesterday. I did manage to find a reasonable work-around, the announcement on the search page explains it:

    https://www.jungledragon.com/search

    It's not pretty, but it works. Also note that due to sitemap improvements I've done 2 weeks ago, there's now four times more content indexed and findable at the index, including the one you were missing.
    Replied one year ago
  10. Ferdy, it is nice you have found a temporary solution. I hope it is temporary, because it is not good the search results are showing outside the site.
    Replied one year ago
  11. I agree, but the problem is that we want the power of Google search, which is superior to anything else, and have it integrated into JungleDragon cleanly. That product just ended, leaving millions of websites stranded. The "replacement" is a branded Google search full of ads that is impossible to deeply integrate.

    So there is no Google solution. The only alternative is to use another technology (for example Amazon), which means building the whole thing from scratch again and then still having less powerful search than we had before.

    In other words, this might be a pretty long temporary solution, for the above reasons. It sucks. Main lesson learned is to not rely on Google technology, as they just randomly end services and leave paying customers to deal with it. This has happened to me several times now, also at work where we use various other services. They cannot be relied upon.

    Anyway, the only piece of mind I have is that our internal search was not that often used, and for those that do use it, it will work. Not pretty, but it works.

    Anyway, hope you understand the situation and can tolerate a workable compromise.
    Replied one year ago
  12. Google is a horrible company with no concept of customer service. Sad. Replied one year ago

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