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  1. I had posted this question in my introduction thread, but moving it here now ...
    I had added a comment and some info to this image:
    Man-face bug A man faced bug<br />
This schould be a Placosternum sp. (Family Pentatomidae) Fall,Geotagged,Heteroptera,India,Pentatomidae,Placosternum,insect,nature,wildlife

    Now, under identification it appears with a species name of Placosternus - which seems to be a longhorn beetle (Coleoptera, Cerambycidae), but it is a Placosternum (Heteroptera, Pentatomidae). I'm assuming the text was borrowed from wikipedia (and should be something else, as it pertains to the beetle, not the bug), but how did my nickname appear with the identification? Not my own action I think. Was it parsed from my input on the description dialog?

    Update: Okay, so I boldly tried removing the ID and providing a new one myself. Removal was not a problem, but when trying to add Placosternum and hitting "Search for species" it automagically came back with the erroneous Placosternu_s_ . So I deleted again and tried applying for a new species Placosternum and now the system came back with an error telling me something about illegal characters in the name?

    Wazzup?
    Replied 2 years ago, modified 2 years ago
  2. The only way to identify the species of a photo is to click the "Identify" button and put in a name - JungleDragon won't read comments or descriptions or tags to set the species. The details about species are mostly automatically generated from Wikipedia articles (based on the details included for this species, I'm pretty sure this was one of the Wikipedia ones). Since the Wikipedia articles are not always consistently formatted (and sometimes not even accurate), sometimes JungleDragon's Wikipedia parser uses bad data for some species. The ones that aren't automatically created from Wikipedia are manually entered by Ferdy and the moderators, so it's also possible that one of them might make a typo on occasion that puts bad data in.
    If you clicked "Identify" and put in "Placosternum", there may have been a glitch somewhere in the Wikipedia lookup that mixed up Placosternus with Placosternum. Also, you may have accidentally typed Placosternus yourself (quite easy to mix things up on occasion).

    JungleDragon only associates photos at the species or subspecies level (side note: JungleDragon treats both species and subspecies as being at the same level, instead of subspecies being one level below species, for technical reasons) and doesn't allow identification at the genus level. If the species isn't known then the best that can be done is to put the genus (or whatever the most accurate known detail about the photographed species is) in the title, description, tags, and/or comments and leave it as "No species identified".
    Replied 2 years ago, modified 2 years ago
  3. Hi Arp, welcome to JD. Thank you for your comments and correction notes. You are doing a great job here. Many of us, like me, we are amateur enthusiasts and quite probably we make many mistakes. We do our best to avoid them and help each other in species identification, but still there are many unidentified images here.
    Concerning Placosternum sp., the structure of JungleDragon is created in a way, that the species record can be created only with the full species' (or subspecies) scientific name. It means, the record for Placosternum spp (genus level or higher) cannot be created and the image is listed in the "Unidentifed" group.
    JIvko

    Replied 2 years ago, modified 2 years ago
  4. Yes I'm sure there must have been some glitch, but I couldn't rectify things, so I figured I'd put up a notice to the matter here.
    So requesting species as "Genusname sp." or "Familyname indet." is not an option?
    It would be a shame if specimen like this would not be found when browsing for the family or genus ...
    Replied 2 years ago
  5. Hi Jivko, our comments crossed. Thanks for the welcome :o)
    Everybody makes mistakes - even the hard core experts(!) And I will make my share of them. Good thing about projects like JD indeed is that we can cooperate and get things right in the end, together ;o)
    Replied 2 years ago
  6. Arp, correct: there is no such thing as a partial identification on JungleDragon. You can put partial identification information in the title, description and tags, which will be very useful. However, it will not show in the species tree:

    https://www.jungledragon.com/wildlife/browse

    I could give a long technical explanation of why this is the case, but the short version is this: the current system is already very complicated and it would take so much time to implement that this is not going to come anytime soon.

    Do note that such a partial identification can and will still show up in many lists of photos: any of the global lists, on user's profiles, it will appear when doing a text search, and if it is geotagged it will show up on a country record. So that image is definitely not lost.
    Replied 2 years ago
  7. Okay, I'll run with that (for now) - will probably ruffle your feathers about that again in the future ;o) Replied 2 years ago

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