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  1. I am a little confused on this subject. I posted up the Xylocopa confusa earlier today. The ID was not available, so I pressed the buttons to request the addition. However, my name is not reported as the 'species identified by' name.

    I have a lot of new stuff to post up, some of it very original. But, I see no point in posting new stuff if I am not going to get the credit.

    Did I miss something in the posting procedure or did I make a mistake, I just need an explanation.
    Xylocopa confusa male This bee took a dislike to my presence near its home. It hovered in front of my face for a few seconds, and then it would circle around me. This pattern was repeated until I either tried to get closer or walked away.<br />
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The first day’s images were not good, so I had to make a plan, and returned to the location several more times until I cracked the method.<br />
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This is the male of the species, and as such has no sting, so this display was all bravado.<br />
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Location is Bandung, West Java, Indonesia. Alongside a stream and paddy fields.<br />
http://www.jungledragon.com/image/37625/xylocopa_confusa_male.html<br />
 Bandung,Geotagged,Indonesia,Winter,Xylocopa confusa


    Dave
    Replied 2 years ago, modified 2 years ago
  2. Dave, the situation is like this:
    When the creation is done automatically (the Wiki page exists) - your name is shown as "Identified by". But when you request a species creation (Wiki page doesn't exist), than the name of the moderator who has created the species is shown.
    However, when you check "Species" in your profile, "Species intros" - there are all the species you have introduced in JD, including those created by a moderator. In this respect the moderator just creates the record of the species you have introduced in JD.
    Replied 2 years ago
  3. Hi again Dave.. The process of creating a species is ultimately tested and proved by adding the ID to the photo - so it sort of just happens by default. I think it's reasonable if you requested the same ID to remove one placed by a moderator and re-add it yourself. Replied 2 years ago
  4. That is kinda what I figured. A page of information has to be posted by the moderator. This takes work and personal effort. That effort should be acknowledged.

    Thanks for the responses.

    Dave
    Replied 2 years ago, modified 2 years ago
  5. Dave, you don't need to request the same species to be created twice when you have 2 photos of it. Usually the moderator who has created the record would identify the first one and you can then identify the others. By the way don't forget to identify all the Hyllus diardi photos before someone else does it for you. We like to keep the unidentified list as short as possible :)
    http://www.jungledragon.com/all/unidentified
    Replied 2 years ago
  6. Jivko's explanation is close, but not 100% correct. There can be a difference between who creates a record and who identifies it. We should make a clear distinction between three things here:

    1) Who creates a species record.
    2) Who identifies the species on a photo
    3) Who introduces a species to the site, or a country (an introduction means the first photo of that species)

    To explain these concepts, first the "happy flow". When automatic species identification is successful by just typing in the name and the system finding a match:

    1) The system will create the species record automatically
    2) It will also automatically link that species record to your photo, using your name
    3) If it is a new species, you will get the credit for introducing it

    Now, let's examine the alternative flow when a species record has to be created manually:

    1) any moderator will create the species record manually
    2) Linking the new record to your photo (identifying it) is then a choice: typically the moderator will do it immediately because waiting for the photo owner to do it may leave things open-ended. If it is done by the moderator, it will be listed as "identified by moderatorname". This does not mean that the moderator created the record, it means he/she identified (linked) it.
    3) Regardless of who identifies it, if that photo is the first of that species, it will always be credited to the owner of the photo. In other words, it does not matter who identifies it, you introduced it to the site and it is recorded as such.

    Sorry for the long explanation, but keep this in mind: as owner of a photo, you will always be credited as the one who photographed a species and also the one who introduced it if it is the first, regardless of who identifies it. As such, it does not matter who identifies it. It is a community process. In fact, you too can identify species on photos of others in order to help out.

    To check my claims, have a look at the species section on your own profile:
    http://www.jungledragon.com/user/2784/species

    You can see there in the sub options "Photographed", "Species intros", "Country intros", and "Identified" where you are credited for.



    Replied 2 years ago

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